[lmnt]

I posted this on the old MCBC a while back:

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Ok I just wanted to see if anyone else realized how much Sam really changed in Ron . She was so different than she was in AAG. Like I know people change, but she really did. Heartless Jess and I were talking and she said Sam used to be all " #*$(@ the world" (her words) and all of a sudden......
Did anyone else think how she changed so much was a little werid,.
Sorry I just had to ask this...lol

-Gina

[Senorita Cassandrita]

I agree wholeheartedly. Supposing Sam's personality change could have been justified with being in love just really didn't do it for me.

You don't exactly lose your views of the world because your boyfriend is a good kisser. Sam's head which used to be filled with art and political views seemed to be taken over by lust & losing her virginity which we can all associate with to a degree, but you gotta wake at sometime and realize the world isn't all about the S word.

Cassanova.

[sunshine9]

I'm still wondering if she stills wears totally black clothes; mourning for her generation. In the first book, this was a statement- and a powerful one too. If she gave up the 'no-colour' thing, I'd like to think that her views are still the same.

[on the first book's cover she is in all black clothing, and in the second she is in coloured clothing?!?!?= Please Explain]

[english_rose]

I'm not sure about the whole colour clothing thing either.

I also thought that there was a big change in Sam between the two books, it was almost as if she was a different person. I know that people do change but, I dunno, her's was a bit drastic.

Phoebe

[Senorita Cassandrita]

BSB!

(Bring Sam Back!)

[Queen of the slayers]

I thought she changed.

[balletlover]

I thought she had changed, simply because her life had changed so much.

-She is now used to being the girl who saved the president
-She has her first boyfriend, which makes her a lot happier, so she hates the world less.
-She knows about what you see vs. what you know now and obsesses over it less.

[IndividualityRules]

Sam DEFINATELY changed in between All American Girl and Ready or Not. For one thing, she was the one character of Cabot's that actually had some sort of self-confidence.

But then Ready or Not appeared, and she morphed into Mia, with her obsessiveness and the fact that it was physically impossible for her to just turned to David and say, "When you asked me to Camp David, were you just wanting to spend time together, or do you actually want our relationship to go further?"

Seriously, I read this book when I was fourteen, and it just bugged me so much that she couldn't talk to her boyfriend about her worries. Instead, she had to take on her new Mia-style personality, and obsess about it for the whole book.

I feel really bad for asking my mum to buy me this last Christmas. I've only read it once, and then flicked through it again when writing an article about the amount of pop-culture references in books, and how this makes the authors look bad.

Oh, and on the subject of pop culture, Sam only ever mentioned Gwen Stefani, and a couple of bands in All American Girl. Ready or Not appears, and these pop culture references multiply. Sure, she was working in video-rental shop. But I think this was just Cabot's excuse to add in pop culture references.

But, in answer to the question, she has definately changed. As in a personality change. As in some stuck Mia Thermopolis's brain into her head when she was sleeping.

[the_tall_girl]

Hey! It's love.

[jessinia]

Hey! So Sam acted like Mia. So what? Mia and Sam both obsessed, but its no reason to hate them! They both freaked out over the matter of their boyfriends wanting them to do It. That is PERFECTLY understandable. And yeah, Sam changed. But so what? She changed, people change. Get over it.

Jess the Shocker :o

[BrainStorm]

Personally, I liked the old Sam better. Like Senorita Cassandrita said, BSB!!!

~Jamie ♫

[Ari-san]

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Hey! So Sam acted like Mia. So what? Mia and Sam both obsessed, but its no reason to hate them! They both freaked out over the matter of their boyfriends wanting them to do It. That is PERFECTLY understandable. And yeah, Sam changed. But so what? She changed, people change. Get over it.

I thought that was a bit rude actually. I think what people are saying is that it was too big of a change. People don't morph into other people so drastically. I, personally, loved the second book (can't actually remember why ... such poor memory) but, I agree, Sam did turn into Mia there.

[IndividualityRules]

Ari-san, on Mar 7 2007, 10:21 PM, said:

I thought that was a bit rude actually. I think what people are saying is that it was too big of a change. People don't morph into other people so drastically. I, personally, loved the second book (can't actually remember why ... such poor memory) but, I agree, Sam did turn into Mia there.

Thank you, Ari-san. I agree - jessinia, that was rather rude. The thread was asking for opinions, and I simply gave my opinion. Everyone is entitled to say what they believe. After all, isn't that what freedom of speech is for?

I don't "hate" Mia and Sam. The fact that they obsess over things simply gets on my nerves. It's understandable in one character, as that is their trait, or a characteristic of them. But when two characters by the same author act exactly the same, it makes the books a bit of a drag to read.

And yes, some girls may be freaked out by the idea of their boyfriend wanting to have sex. But if they'd got to that stage in their relationship, and still couldn't discuss those kinds of things with their boyfriend, then there are obviously some problems. Because, honestly, if I were in that sort of situation, sure I'd be a bit freaked out for maybe a day, but then I'd just get the guts to talk to my boyfriend about it. Easy as that.

And yes, people do change. I am not saying that they'd don't. I myself change. But my problem - as voiced also by Ari-san, is that people don't just morph into someone else. It would be fine if they had a couple of similar characteristics. I could cope with that. But it's when two characters are so similar, and behave in the same way that it becomes a problem, in my opinion. And Sam did change dramatically. As someone who read All American Girl when it first came out, and as a writer myself, it made the second book not as enjoyable to read.

I'm not starting an argument here. I'm simply voicing my opinion. I'm not making anyone agree with it. After all, wouldn't the world be a boring place if we all had the same beliefs?

And as for the "Get over it" comment. Get over what? It's a book. Sam is a fictional character. I don't see anything to "get over."

And as for "Hey! It's love." I don't believe that I've ever been obsessive when I've been in love. It doesn't sound healthy, in my opinion.

[Wymonrule]

u know what. i was thinking, mayb that old stuff wasnt her. u know in AAG she was obsessed with Jack and she thought they had SO much in common. mayb the stuff they had in common was just her subconsiously( spelling) changing to be everything she thought Jack wanted. then she met David who liked mayb loved her. she didnt need to change 4 him so she just became her REAL self

[Trevor . the . Toad]

I'm a complete nerd who is currently giving off the impression that all I think about is seducing my best friend. Of course, part of this plan involves being nerdy--after all he is. ;)

I used to not like Sam at all, but I'm starting to have it click with me.

[Princess Sophie]

Hi

I thought she had changed aswell. Very interesting.

Sophie

[foureverallie]

IndividualityRules, on Feb 23 2007, 05:33 PM, said:

Sam DEFINATELY changed in between All American Girl and Ready or Not. For one thing, she was the one character of Cabot's that actually had some sort of self-confidence.

But then Ready or Not appeared, and she morphed into Mia, with her obsessiveness and the fact that it was physically impossible for her to just turned to David and say, "When you asked me to Camp David, were you just wanting to spend time together, or do you actually want our relationship to go further?"

Seriously, I read this book when I was fourteen, and it just bugged me so much that she couldn't talk to her boyfriend about her worries. Instead, she had to take on her new Mia-style personality, and obsess about it for the whole book.

I feel really bad for asking my mum to buy me this last Christmas. I've only read it once, and then flicked through it again when writing an article about the amount of pop-culture references in books, and how this makes the authors look bad.

Oh, and on the subject of pop culture, Sam only ever mentioned Gwen Stefani, and a couple of bands in All American Girl. Ready or Not appears, and these pop culture references multiply. Sure, she was working in video-rental shop. But I think this was just Cabot's excuse to add in pop culture references.

But, in answer to the question, she has definately changed. As in a personality change. As in some stuck Mia Thermopolis's brain into her head when she was sleeping.

I'm guessing you don't like Mia that much. But I do agree with you. She did sound alot like Mia.